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Morgan Magauran's avatar

At the root of this is due process denied.

MLK said, "Justice delayed is justice denied", well under the Trump Administration,

Due process delayed is due process denied.

This is our problem, not someone elses problem. This is a red alert moment.

Due process matters.

Saul Isaacs. independent journalist and editor of Tangle has an exceptional post on this https://www.readtangle.com/why-due-process-still-matters/

Christina are you tracking these cases of due process denied? This is the data we must make visible as we are 'boiled frogs' if we don't see this erosion of our rights. Once it is okay to deny it to immigrants, it is okay to deny it to citizens.

I haven't seen ACLU tracking this data. I am wondering how we make is more visible, how every citizen has a due process tree on their property that the tie white ribbons to for every collective and individual instance of due process denied, the way in the Vietnam war the crosses made visible the deaths. These are deaths of our rights as individual citizens that are disappearing and the time to say we will not stand for this, in the form of collective action is now.

You are not over-reacting, the American public is under-reacting, thinking this is not their problem. This is our problem, this isn't just about scientists, or university funding, this is about basic human rights.

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Sue Billington's avatar

Many thanks and it’s ’spot on’! You are certainly not overreacting. I see that US scientists are moving away, certainly one I’ve heard of moving to Canada. No one can blame them and there has been talks of a ‘brain drain’. I have never had any desire to go to the US but if I had I would certainly rule it out. You have quite rightly used the word ‘regime’ and that is exactly what it is. Many have often talked of the relatively few days Hitler took to destroy Germany, Trump has beaten that in my view. Sadly it can only get worse and countries need to prepare for the worst; I don’t think it’s even worth hoping for the best as it’s just not going to happen!!

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Dr Colin Bannon's avatar

Thanks Christine; this is utterly dreadful and I feel so low when I contemplate my grandsons future in this world where politicians are failing us so badly. Keep up the good work - we all must!

https://drcolinbannon.substack.com/p/kennedys-shit-shows-next-episode

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Alistair Penbroke's avatar

You complain about ideology and in the same breath complain about woke grants being defunded. You can't hear yourself, can you?

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Ann Higgins's avatar

In another report I read that French firms with U.S. contracts are being given 5 days to remove any DEI/affirmative action from their firms or face losing their contracts. That may put them in breach of French legislation.

Is the U.K. next? What price sovereignty now?

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Greg Dance's avatar

And in the UK a few evenings ago the Metropolitan police smashed their way into the Quakers Westminster Friends Meeting House because a few young people met to talk of Palestine/Gaza and climate change.

Over reacting is a state behaviour now, not a citizens!

https://www.quaker.org.uk/news-and-events/news/quakers-condemn-police-raid-on-westminster-meeting-house

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lillyevans_me's avatar

Totally agree. ESTA requires each visitor to list social media sites they are using. So even if I leave my devices behind my online footprint is there to see. So I will sit out visits to close relatives in USA for the next four years at least.

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Ann Higgins's avatar

Same here

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Ian Hunter's avatar

It may seem lazy to make again the connection between Hitler's Germany and Trump's USA. However, the spectre of black-clad agents dismounting anonymous trucks to sweep up people who carry their 'guilt' in their skin colour and their exercise of free speech rights is sickening. Gestapo tactics may seem like a hyperbolic label for these events, but for Jews in Europe in the 1940s, who were swept up like so much trash, that label would resonate. Fine people will shun the USA - does that help either democracy or the advancement of a society based on good governance, excellence in science and the best for Americans?

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Mike Brisco's avatar

Not lazy. Doubtless this happened also, in Rwanda, former Yugoslavia. Cambodia. However these are not well documented .. Europe is. So when discussing these phenomena .. use examples that people are familiar with.

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Ian Hunter's avatar

You don't think folks are familiar with Hitler and his evil works? Or did I misconstrue your comment, Mike?

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Cath's avatar

Scary times. My brother-in-law (an Immunologist) is supposed to be going to a conference in US soon. I warned my sister he should check advice from his employer on whether to go.

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Kevin Coyne's avatar

I still can’t understand why so many people in the USA are letting this happen in their country.

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CreativeRaven, PhD's avatar

Trump has been largely ignoring court orders, which is setting up a constitutional crisis.

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Andy Vantino's avatar

"the Trump administration’s attacks on science were following the authoritarian playbook - and things have only got worse since. I am sure your first reaction is to think that I am overreacting. It sounds ridiculous to say such things. It sounds unbelievable even to me. But it is where we are and the sooner we accept it, the sooner we can organise," write Pagel

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Kate's avatar

Chilling. Thank you for speaking out and keeping us ordinary folk informed.

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